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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnA, My info is from the actual minutes of the meeting, so I&#039;ll go back and check, it&#039;s been awhile since I&#039;ve looked at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnA, My info is from the actual minutes of the meeting, so I&#8217;ll go back and check, it&#8217;s been awhile since I&#8217;ve looked at it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by JohnA</title>
		<link>http://opencda.com/?p=6504&#038;cpage=1#comment-9308</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, you&#039;ll have to check with Susan Weathers but I remember the whole Council in attendance at the December 1997 meeting when the District was created and the vote was unanimous.  I know for sure that Mayor Hassell didn&#039;t have to vote to break a tie.  As you may recall, that was Al&#039;s last meeting as Mayor and he went out of office with a unified Council on the issue of urban renewal.

CC, I don&#039;t see how you get taxation without representation since no one is taxed for URD capital projects outside of a URD. Only those within the URD pay for the improvements, and that&#039;s only if their property increases after the formation of the URD.  

So, to get this straight, only those INSIDE the URD pay for the improvements but everyone is entitled to use them, whether you are a city resident (or more likely) not a city resident.  When you think of it, it&#039;s awfully nice of them to let us use the facilities they themselves have paid for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, you&#8217;ll have to check with Susan Weathers but I remember the whole Council in attendance at the December 1997 meeting when the District was created and the vote was unanimous.  I know for sure that Mayor Hassell didn&#8217;t have to vote to break a tie.  As you may recall, that was Al&#8217;s last meeting as Mayor and he went out of office with a unified Council on the issue of urban renewal.</p>
<p>CC, I don&#8217;t see how you get taxation without representation since no one is taxed for URD capital projects outside of a URD. Only those within the URD pay for the improvements, and that&#8217;s only if their property increases after the formation of the URD.  </p>
<p>So, to get this straight, only those INSIDE the URD pay for the improvements but everyone is entitled to use them, whether you are a city resident (or more likely) not a city resident.  When you think of it, it&#8217;s awfully nice of them to let us use the facilities they themselves have paid for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by concerned citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preserved? What do you consider preserved, for whom and at what cost? Logging, one of the only industries in the area driven out by pure greed. &quot;SELL your land to developers and drive up the taxes in the area and screw your neighbor out of their home.&quot; Oh, that is right, loggers don&#039;t FIT the caliber of people we are trying to attract.

Developers NEED to fund their &quot;for profit&quot; ventures as the rest of us do, on our own, through a bank, with investors, etc.  The only preservation is to the bank account of &quot;THE&quot; select few. What ever happen to the 3000 +- jobs promised by the LCDC?

I also do not see where the people of the county are responsible or even SHOULD be responsible for the &quot;WANTS&quot; (not needs) of the city. How is this even legal? Again, &quot;TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION&quot;. JohnA, you can put your spin on it any way you wish but it is STILL rich developers getting richer off of the backs of the little people period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preserved? What do you consider preserved, for whom and at what cost? Logging, one of the only industries in the area driven out by pure greed. &#8220;SELL your land to developers and drive up the taxes in the area and screw your neighbor out of their home.&#8221; Oh, that is right, loggers don&#8217;t FIT the caliber of people we are trying to attract.</p>
<p>Developers NEED to fund their &#8220;for profit&#8221; ventures as the rest of us do, on our own, through a bank, with investors, etc.  The only preservation is to the bank account of &#8220;THE&#8221; select few. What ever happen to the 3000 +- jobs promised by the LCDC?</p>
<p>I also do not see where the people of the county are responsible or even SHOULD be responsible for the &#8220;WANTS&#8221; (not needs) of the city. How is this even legal? Again, &#8220;TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION&#8221;. JohnA, you can put your spin on it any way you wish but it is STILL rich developers getting richer off of the backs of the little people period.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnA, are you saying the final vote for approval from the city council was not as I described, one in favor, one against and Mayor Al Hassel breaking the tie with a yes vote?

And I don&#039;t believe for one minute that folks, including the city council, had any true understanding of Tax Increment Financing (TIF) and what problems it would cause down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnA, are you saying the final vote for approval from the city council was not as I described, one in favor, one against and Mayor Al Hassel breaking the tie with a yes vote?</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t believe for one minute that folks, including the city council, had any true understanding of Tax Increment Financing (TIF) and what problems it would cause down the road.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by JohnA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, since I helped write the plan and draw the URD boundary, let me refresh your memory.  The process began in the summer of 1997 when the Council viewed a video of similar programs in other cities, including Boise and Portland. There was also Post Falls&#039; successful example locally with the West Seltice project that included Harpers.  So, to say no one knew what urban renewal was is I believe naive.    

The Council directed staff to proceed through the process and have the issue to them before the end of 1997. They appointed an urban renewal agency to oversee the process.  Suffice to say it was a huge task to get done in that timeline, including completing the annexation of properties the Council wanted in the URD.  In any event, we had the urban renewal plan to the affected government agencies, including the County, Fire Districts, NIC and all four highway districts, early in the fall.  I met personally with each entity to apprise them of the projects listed in the plan, as I had done the feasibility study showing the increment needed and the impact to each agency.  We finally had the public hearing in December before a full house in the auditorium at Coeur d&#039;Alene High School.  Through the whole public process we had no negative comments on the plan.  At the end of the public hearing the Council (all of whom were in attendance) voted unanimously to approve the formation of the urban renewal district. 

And, even more recently, the River District was formed and the Lake District&#039;s life extended.  Again the entire public process I described above was followed and again following the public comment period, the Council voted unanimously to move ahead with the Districts.

As far as Ancient&#039;s comments, CDA taxpayers have always footed the bill for the operation and maintenance of the assets used by everyone else. The only difference then is that CDA taxpayers also provided all of the facilities, or capital projects, as well.  With the advent of urban renewal, the city has urban renewal to help pay for those facilities.  This has removed a tremendous burden from city taxpayers, that I can guarantee.  

Bottom line: try to imagine what the city&#039;s taxes might be if they had to still pay for all of the capital projects funded by LCDC.  Then, look at the great city you live in and all of it&#039;s assets not only preserved forever but improved and added to at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, since I helped write the plan and draw the URD boundary, let me refresh your memory.  The process began in the summer of 1997 when the Council viewed a video of similar programs in other cities, including Boise and Portland. There was also Post Falls&#8217; successful example locally with the West Seltice project that included Harpers.  So, to say no one knew what urban renewal was is I believe naive.    </p>
<p>The Council directed staff to proceed through the process and have the issue to them before the end of 1997. They appointed an urban renewal agency to oversee the process.  Suffice to say it was a huge task to get done in that timeline, including completing the annexation of properties the Council wanted in the URD.  In any event, we had the urban renewal plan to the affected government agencies, including the County, Fire Districts, NIC and all four highway districts, early in the fall.  I met personally with each entity to apprise them of the projects listed in the plan, as I had done the feasibility study showing the increment needed and the impact to each agency.  We finally had the public hearing in December before a full house in the auditorium at Coeur d&#8217;Alene High School.  Through the whole public process we had no negative comments on the plan.  At the end of the public hearing the Council (all of whom were in attendance) voted unanimously to approve the formation of the urban renewal district. </p>
<p>And, even more recently, the River District was formed and the Lake District&#8217;s life extended.  Again the entire public process I described above was followed and again following the public comment period, the Council voted unanimously to move ahead with the Districts.</p>
<p>As far as Ancient&#8217;s comments, CDA taxpayers have always footed the bill for the operation and maintenance of the assets used by everyone else. The only difference then is that CDA taxpayers also provided all of the facilities, or capital projects, as well.  With the advent of urban renewal, the city has urban renewal to help pay for those facilities.  This has removed a tremendous burden from city taxpayers, that I can guarantee.  </p>
<p>Bottom line: try to imagine what the city&#8217;s taxes might be if they had to still pay for all of the capital projects funded by LCDC.  Then, look at the great city you live in and all of it&#8217;s assets not only preserved forever but improved and added to at the same time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by mary</title>
		<link>http://opencda.com/?p=6504&#038;cpage=1#comment-9303</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnA, I think Ancientemplar raises a great point in the TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION argument for all those who live outside CdA and are not allowed to vote in our elections (unless of course they vote from Canada, but that&#039;s another topic!)

As for our ability to weigh in with our votes on urban renewal, your reference to 1997 is pretty ancient.  No one knew what urban renewal was back then, not even the city council.  And it was a vote of the council taken in the middle of the summer, with several members absent.  I believe, if memory serves, there were THREE whole votes: one council member in favor, one opposed, and Mayor Al Hassel broke the tie with a Yes vote.  

I would not parade that process around as great involvement of the People!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnA, I think Ancientemplar raises a great point in the TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION argument for all those who live outside CdA and are not allowed to vote in our elections (unless of course they vote from Canada, but that&#8217;s another topic!)</p>
<p>As for our ability to weigh in with our votes on urban renewal, your reference to 1997 is pretty ancient.  No one knew what urban renewal was back then, not even the city council.  And it was a vote of the council taken in the middle of the summer, with several members absent.  I believe, if memory serves, there were THREE whole votes: one council member in favor, one opposed, and Mayor Al Hassel broke the tie with a Yes vote.  </p>
<p>I would not parade that process around as great involvement of the People!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by Ancientemplar</title>
		<link>http://opencda.com/?p=6504&#038;cpage=1#comment-9302</link>
		<dc:creator>Ancientemplar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John A.    Your argument in item 24 is a little oblique.........thousands of people flock to CDA every year to enjoy what the city has to offer, and most of them don’t live in or pay taxes to the city. That leaves city residents alone to pony up for the added police and fire personnel, streets and parks workers, etc. ..........URD is about capitol improvements not operating expenses. But I guess the city council can twist the picture anyway to suit their purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John A.    Your argument in item 24 is a little oblique&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;thousands of people flock to CDA every year to enjoy what the city has to offer, and most of them don’t live in or pay taxes to the city. That leaves city residents alone to pony up for the added police and fire personnel, streets and parks workers, etc. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.URD is about capitol improvements not operating expenses. But I guess the city council can twist the picture anyway to suit their purposes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by Ancientemplar</title>
		<link>http://opencda.com/?p=6504&#038;cpage=1#comment-9301</link>
		<dc:creator>Ancientemplar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t elect the city council. They don&#039;t represent me. I have NO voice in who sits on the LCDC Board. Until I do I will continue to fight their decisions tooth and nail. As it now stands its a slush fund for the the distribution to the favorites of the city council and city staff.  They unilaterally decide what is best for the city and as far as I can see only benefits the city of Coeur d&#039;Alene, with my tax dollars, mind you. Show me the blight. The acreage along the river where Riverstone is was substantially less unsightly (not blighted just undeveloped) that the empty development and unmercifully ugly, unscreened HVAC units on the &quot;multiplex&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t elect the city council. They don&#8217;t represent me. I have NO voice in who sits on the LCDC Board. Until I do I will continue to fight their decisions tooth and nail. As it now stands its a slush fund for the the distribution to the favorites of the city council and city staff.  They unilaterally decide what is best for the city and as far as I can see only benefits the city of Coeur d&#8217;Alene, with my tax dollars, mind you. Show me the blight. The acreage along the river where Riverstone is was substantially less unsightly (not blighted just undeveloped) that the empty development and unmercifully ugly, unscreened HVAC units on the &#8220;multiplex&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by JohnA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, the public WAS asked to comment, along with every affected government agency, when the urban renewal plan for the Lake District was first proposed in 1997. They were asked again when the River District was added and the Lake District was extended.  

My question is: where were the public and agency comments then?  The fact is everyone was on the same page when the plans were proposed and the districts formed.  If issues have arisen since then, and surely from the tenor of this site they have, the recourse is to seek changes from the appointing authority, which is the city.  The city alone has the authority to disband the URD if that&#039;s their desire.  

Otherwise, you&#039;ll need to have the laws changed concerning URDs, but be cautioned that too much debt has been issued statewide to expect any changes to affect current URDs.  It won&#039;t happen because that would endanger the bond rating of every governmental agency in the state, all 1,100 of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, the public WAS asked to comment, along with every affected government agency, when the urban renewal plan for the Lake District was first proposed in 1997. They were asked again when the River District was added and the Lake District was extended.  </p>
<p>My question is: where were the public and agency comments then?  The fact is everyone was on the same page when the plans were proposed and the districts formed.  If issues have arisen since then, and surely from the tenor of this site they have, the recourse is to seek changes from the appointing authority, which is the city.  The city alone has the authority to disband the URD if that&#8217;s their desire.  </p>
<p>Otherwise, you&#8217;ll need to have the laws changed concerning URDs, but be cautioned that too much debt has been issued statewide to expect any changes to affect current URDs.  It won&#8217;t happen because that would endanger the bond rating of every governmental agency in the state, all 1,100 of them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Session, Labor Day by mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnA says &quot;I don&#039;t think it is asking too much to have their URD contribute millions to the amenities we all enjoy.&quot;  

John, IT&#039;S THE PUBLIC&#039;S MONEY, NOT THE URD&#039;S MONEY!

And the public was NEVER ASKED whether they wanted this or not.  THAT&#039;s the problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnA says &#8220;I don&#8217;t think it is asking too much to have their URD contribute millions to the amenities we all enjoy.&#8221;  </p>
<p>John, IT&#8217;S THE PUBLIC&#8217;S MONEY, NOT THE URD&#8217;S MONEY!</p>
<p>And the public was NEVER ASKED whether they wanted this or not.  THAT&#8217;s the problem!</p>
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