May 11, 2012

Inclined to Intimidate

Filed under: The City's Pulse — mary @ 11:36 am

Mary Souza’s Newsletter  

There’s a long standing, but ugly tradition of intimidation in our town. It’s trying to smother the Recall effort right now and it’s trying to block the public’s right to vote. But this time the intimidators are not going to win.

We have strength and safety in numbers, and thousands of people have already signed the Recall petitions. They are willing to stand up for what’s right.  What’s the city going to do…try to come after 5,000 citizens?  Remember, they’ll be out of office and will have no power to intimidate anyone. Isn’t that a very good reason for signing the Recall?

Let’s talk about some courageous community heros.    First is John Montandon, owner of the Ace Hardware down on east Sherman.  John allowed the Recall to have a small table and signs in his parking lot last Sunday and Monday.  Recall folks were there, waving signs and inviting people to drive through and sign the petitions…many signed right in their cars!

The public response was great.  But others were angry. The Police were called and came by frequently. The Code Enforcement officer came by multiple times as well.  Intimidation?  Heck yeah.

The Mayor’s daughter, Erica, closed her account at John’s store, others called with complaints, and Erica even threatened that the city would close their accounts too.  (Hmmm…she’s not the mayor.)

But you know what?  John stood tall.  He took a stand for free speech and the rights of people to have differing ideas without fear of reprisal.

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” This quote is from author Evelyn Beatrice Hall, who was British but her words clearly support our American Constitutional right to a voice.

Our Recall signing station at John’s store on Sherman is still active and doing well.  Yesterday there was also a “Decline to Sign” guy nearby, but who cares?  It’s a free country isn’t it?…well is should be anyway.  Meanwhile, people were signing away at the Recall table.  Now that’s American!

And there’s another local hero to tell you about too, Tom Kane. Tom believes deeply in the Recall effort.  He has homemade signs in his yard on 3rd street, and he put a table outside where people can ask questions and sign the petition.  But Wednesday morning Tom woke up to quite a surprise: A dozen “Decline to Sign”s were stuck all over his yard, blocking many of his own signs supporting the Recall.

It was a juvenile trick.  But what happened afterward really bothers me.  Tom had pictures taken of the whole mess (you can see them on then he called the police and the Press.  The Press told him they would send someone over.  But a short while later, it wasn’t the Press who showed up, it was one of the young women who heads up the Decline group.  She said Mike Kennedy called her to go get the signs.

Did the Press call Kennedy to make sure the signs were taken away before their photographer arrived?

Tom Kane told me he is saddened by the refusal of the city to listen and he thinks the Recall is now our only option. The anger and backlash from others is disturbing and he can’t believe anyone would try to block the public’s right to have a vote. Tom is standing strong and will continue to do so. You can read the wonderful poem he wrote about the Recall by clicking here:

And then there’s the Breakfast Nook. They are not on the heros list…not yet anyway.  They gave the Recall permission to use their parking lot for a signing station, and everything was going well until the Press showed up.  A reporter from the Press started going through the restaurant, asking the food servers and other people what they thought of the Recall table outside. The owner got nervous and asked our Recall folks to leave. The Breakfast Nook buckled under the pressure.  But maybe some phone calls of support will help them feel strong enough to stand by their original decision to allow free speech: 667-1699.

So here’s what I’m asking you, dear readers: Will you please take your business to the Ace Hardware at 1010 E. Sherman? You can call John at 664-6221 and thank him for his courage.  And, if you drive by Tom’s house on 3rd, honk and wave or, better yet, stop and sign if you haven’t done so yet.

Do you know a good place for a Recall signing station? We’re looking for places with good traffic flow, but not fast traffic, and an easy place to turn off the street into a parking lot or open area. The owners must be unafraid and tenacious. We’ll provide the volunteers and signs. Please call us at Recall CdA, 704-1596.

We should honor all our local heros, including the thousands of Coeur d’Alene people who are raising up to sign the petitions that will give us ALL a public vote on the future of our city.

Let’s close the book on intimidation here.  It’s time to write a new chapter for Coeur d’Alene.

RECALL CdA Headquarters is in the Sunset Mall, across Hwy 95 from Fred Meyer.  We are near Coin Nuts and the Mexican restaurant.


  1. I’m not going to get into the shopping wars that some of both sides are involved in. I choose my places to shop and purchase on price, service, ambiance, and satisfaction.

    Comment by Randy_Myers — May 11, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  2. Heroes? Why, because they let you set up a table in front of their store. Let’s give them a big gold star and a bear hug. Police intimidation? Sigh. Honestly, I normally enjoy your clear gift for empty hyperbole and high drama, and that’s why I always look forward to reading your newsletters. But this one is a bit over the top, even for you and you seem a bit tired, your spelling and syntax are showing signs of strain, not to mention your facts. Vacation time?

    Comment by Patrick Jacobs — May 11, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

  3. Yes Patrick, heros! In this town standing up against the status quo brings nasty retribution. I have experienced this first hand so my facts are iron clad.

    Your not so clever insults regarding Marys newsletter are childish, not a bit amusing. I know you can do better.

    How are my spelling and syntax? Any suggestions for improvement?

    Comment by rochereau — May 11, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

  4. It’s “heroes” not “heros”, which was part of my original point. Childish, perhaps. But not any more childish than some of the pro-recall posts I’ve read here and elsewhere (Pariah, you there?) Yeah, I’m sure I really could do better but I can’t really be bothered lately. I think I’m the one that needs a vacation until mid-June when the needed amount of signatures fails to materialize and this whole mess ends. Well, actually, if that happens I’m sure it will be a due to yet another imaginary good old boy/city council/status quo/police department/local media conspiracy and Mary will come up with yet another angle to drag the whole nightmare on and on and on. That’s Plan B in a nutshell, right?

    Comment by Patrick Jacobs — May 11, 2012 @ 5:19 pm

  5. Ah the comic who jokes about breaking the law returns! Incite and felonies lately comic? HAHA!

    Hey – have the authorities inquired yet about your comedy act online? I bet they will if they have not already. Odd how cops have such low humor thresholds.

    Anyhow enjoy that time off. Try and avoid getting hit by cars. The orange vests help though.

    Comment by Pariah — May 11, 2012 @ 6:33 pm

  6. Pariah, you’re right on cue, but I think you have me mixed up with Mr. Graves perhaps, who did JOKINGLY make the comments I think you’re freaking out about. Whether they were funny or not is a matter of opinion (obviously you didn’t feel the sarcastic vibe of them), but if you find any comments of mine here or elsewhere that hinted or joked about any illegal activity, then you are truly a magician because they don’t exist. Anyway, as everyone knows, I look great in orange. I enjoy posting here and being cheeky. There is an entertainment value to watching this whole recall/anti-recall thing roll out, and Mary’s newsletters are always a hit. It’s like a psycho version of the play “Our Town” or something. In the long run, positivity and progress always win out over negativity and paranoia.

    Comment by Patrick Jacobs — May 11, 2012 @ 8:54 pm

  7. Oh looky, Patty is right, I did confuse his nasty rhetoric with that of another nasty anti poster. I am so sorry.

    Patty / Orange / “PieHole Shutter” is the guy who posts the nasty 2am attacks, who hopes someone will “shut Mary’s piehole for good” poster. Humor of the “let’s use violent words and intimidation” school rather than the “let’s sign under false pretenses” comic.

    Now you want to be seen as somehow “better” than adam and that makes sense, but I gotta tell you, from the outside, you boys look like two peas in a pod – hatefilled, angry, nasty and self important. You shouldn’t be surprised when such similar worldviews and rhetoric cause confusion.

    And of course, like adam, you cannot see how your rhetoric could ever be seen as anything but “good”. You don’t see the intimidation or the calls for violence as bad. You are a “good” person just like adam and you are trying to shut up that “bad” Mary Souza. Just a fun loving beer swilling knight fight for misjustice and a vision of a better future.

    Frankly you and your gang of haters are making the recall case for them. You disgust and turn off the public whenever you rant and rave, so have it it Patty, get your humorous bile flowing as often as you want. You simply hasten the day when normal folks are back in control and you all are back to swilling cheap beer and bitching about the stupid people who didn’t appreciate you.

    Comment by Pariah — May 12, 2012 @ 7:39 am

  8. Pariah, you crack me up. I bet you’re a real winger dinger at parties. 🙂

    Comment by Patrick Jacobs — May 12, 2012 @ 7:54 am

  9. Youve crossed the line. I do not drink cheap beer.

    Comment by adamgraves — May 12, 2012 @ 10:05 am

  10. I have not heard anything about the mayor being sued by a local bank for non payment on a business loan. The story is that she asked for special treatment as the mayor for more time. A 75000 loan in 2005 becoming an 85000 delinquency in 2012 already shows leniency. When they decided to sue she became angry and threatening? Discussion?

    Comment by jayhump — May 12, 2012 @ 10:13 am

  11. jayhump, nah, “we’ll just send a little business your way to more than offset any penalty or interest that maybe owed.”

    Comment by Ancientemplar — May 12, 2012 @ 12:26 pm

  12. Plenty of controversy that’s for sure. Regardless of the outcome here this has been an absolute gallant effort with many stepping up against all odds facing what many want swept under the carpet. In one paper this morning Mr. Orzell and Representative Sims were simply lambasted. It seems easy to point to the outcome of some projects that only the City taxpayers have footed the bill while the real problems with URD here continue to be ignored. Other State Senators and Representatives have taken clear issue with URD in this State and abroad, here attempting to reign in the monstrosity that has been created that continues to ignore the social unrest and attempt to respond and fix any of it.

    This is not some willy nilly ill thought fly by night approach. The social unrest comes from years of activity that is in no way isolated to just Coeur d’Alene, but here it is culminated from the non stop build it bigger mentality in spite the lack of blight that is far from it’s purported purpose that begins the list of problems that has been created. Then talk about a up hill battle, the State rolls over on its original position followed by the County Prosecutor filing in Court to determine the meaning of the law that gets dropped as well.

    The end of the day Constitutionally and Statutorily the peoples right. It’s alright for a business to post a sign but allow Recall advocates to setup in your parking lot is just going to far, publicly stated so, and willing to harm a business that has done nothing wrong but agree with a multitude of social unrest. Where is the fix, the common ground, the middle ground, and any effort at all to look into the real problems and do something about it? Those who back URD and are obviously connected and could easily push to get an answer once and for all from the Attorney General – yah right! On the other side of the coin hopefully a State or City official will do that – it’s about time. That would go a long way to resolve some social unrest aside from the Recall, if all is being done appropriately then URD advocates would welcome this, not doing so and if the fight continues speaks volumes.

    Comment by Appalled — May 13, 2012 @ 9:26 am

  13. “This is not some willy nilly ill thought fly by night approach.”

    Correct. See for Tony Stewart’s take on the “Long History” and where it started and where he hopes it will go.

    Just my Sunday morning observation. Just

    Comment by justinian — May 13, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  14. No matter which side of this issue you are on, you should consider the comments of Tony Stewart. He’s one of the most highly respected members of the CDA community for hs work on human rights.

    Comment by John Austin — May 13, 2012 @ 10:14 pm

  15. True that, although follow the links and review the comments on the other site. Even those who have a ton of respect for Mr. Stewart on Human Rights distinguish an enormous difference regarding URD and City planning that is not his forte. The overwhelming majority of comments on this site do not favor his insight, comparisons, and how he drew his conclusions that seem just as peculiar to me.

    Comment by Appalled — May 13, 2012 @ 11:22 pm

  16. If tony was REALLY so concerned about human rights he would be working in Watts, Compton, East LA, Detroit, Oakland, West St Louis, El Paso, etc. where there are thousands of human rights issues a day. Instead, he has to make an issue about 13 white morons which, some if not most, CAME from those places and let his staff create non existent issues.

    Yeah, right John. The local government REALLY needs to listen to his opinions.

    Comment by concerned citizen — May 14, 2012 @ 6:22 am

  17. ” He’s one of the most highly respected members of the CDA community for hs {sic} work on human rights. ”

    Respected by whom John Austin? And what exactly are “human rights”? The right to free speech? The right of free association? Did Tony Stewart champion those rights? Does his odd speech to the Board linked above show any respect for the rights of those who disagree with his special vision of a San Francisco lifestyle based “new economy”?

    Sorry, a few of the left leaning leadership who bow down to this “vision” of Tony’s may respect him, many others do not.

    Just my Monday morning opinion. Just

    Comment by justinian — May 14, 2012 @ 6:28 am

  18. I wonder why the Kootenai County Task Force on Human Relations hasn’t voiced its support for local hardware store owner John Montandon’s First Amendment freedom of association and his right to encourage peaceful petition for redress of grievances? After all, two of the Kootenai County Task Force on Human Relations biggest stalwarts are Tony Stewart (background) and Coeur d’Alene Police Department Sergeant Christie Wood (foreground) shown here.

    In fact, according to the Kootenai County Task Force on Human Relations website, Coeur d’Alene Police Department Sergeant Christie Wood is the current president and Tony Stewart is the current secretary.

    I also have to wonder why the Coeur d’Alene Chamber of Commerce hasn’t expressed outrage at the attack on one of its fellow merchants by a surrogate of the City? Maybe knowing who is on the Coeur d’Alene Chamber of Commerce Executive Committee and Board of Directors and who its “Diamond Members” are would answer that.

    Comment by Bill — May 14, 2012 @ 6:55 am

  19. Bill,

    Those are very fair questions. I wonder if Sergeant Wood or Professor Stewart are willing to answer those questions? Ditto the Chamber of Commerce.

    Just wondering? Just

    Comment by justinian — May 14, 2012 @ 7:52 am

  20. What rights were violated at the hardware store, Bill? I mean, the mayor’s brother paid off his accounts and now chooses to do business someplace else. I don’t see how that’s a violation of anyone’s rights.

    As far as Mr. Stewart and Chrisie Wood posting here, I wouldn’t hold my breath. Anyone who tries to post an alternate view here is lambasted both professionally and personally. And that’s a shame because this could be a worthy community forum otherwise.

    Comment by John Austin — May 14, 2012 @ 10:48 am

  21. From the lambaster himself who privately makes money from URD – WOW – go figure!

    Comment by Appalled — May 14, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  22. I dont’ ‘privately’ make money from URDs, Appalled. I very PUBLICLY make money from URDs. Two of them in fact, one in Dover and one in Bonners Ferry. The latter was created to lure 100 new jobs to the city (the hiring is going on right now) so I’m pleased with that. In Dover the developer provided over $8.3 million in new city infrastructure, mostly for a wastewater plant that was violating DEQ standards but also for a four-bay fire station and ladder truck.

    These are good URDs that have been very good for their cities and their residents.

    Comment by John Austin — May 14, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

  23. So let me get this straight – you’re a public entity now. Either these URD’s have entered into some sort of deal with the private sector meaning not a public official or municipal corporation or you are some how a public official? Spin on John! Any maybe they are doing good in Dover and Bonners Ferry, so what, have you missed the thousands coming together here that are not in favor of the activity that can do no wrong in every one of your posts?

    Comment by Appalled — May 14, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

  24. John you spewed all kinds of bogus unsupported positions commenting on the post, County Press Release – Recall Election Violations. Disadvantaged border community, you never said the city used that but you sure as hell insinuated it big time. You met with Mr. McDowell and expect everyone to accept your understanding of a meeting absent anyone else attending with a differing view point to take only your found perspective as gospel, while at the same time everyone must completely ignore the tax shift that is reported on his website along with other County officials in the State. Just plain delusional as if anyone will buy that.

    URD amendments in the law need not be followed “only plans adopted after changes to the statutes are required to abide by them.” You are completely wrong, I proved this with an analysis of Idaho laws that do have such citations and you never again replied about it. Do you charge your URD clients for that legal advice? Of course when proven wrong yet again you just ignore it and no longer comment. Several times it was don’t talk to me I wasn’t involved with that – after my time, but for the same token you wouldn’t quit commenting on a ton of things since your time here claiming to be the guy to correct those mistruths that are ‘spinning’ around the community – but again don’t talk to me about it after you state this bogus position or that one – what a hypocrite.

    If the City got this money back from URD they likely would add those dollars to their budgets, which would mean there would be NO impact on taxes. More spin when claiming they are such good stewards but not good enough to consider lowering the tax base if receiving unanticipated millions – hilarious.

    The anonymity card is played to the it’s all legal because I said so. The outcry is Statewide John, and locally involves thousands fed up with a monstrosity that could be proven legal or not at no expense to the city, but of course no takers on the monstrosity side. The list of Austin ambiguity just goes on from here concluding the referenced post above commenting about the weather a few times in the end because you had nothing else – cut and run yet again.

    Comment by Appalled — May 14, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  25. John,

    I was just up in Bonners Ferry where you claim UR helped with the parking lot of the new Super 1 food store. DUDE, it is on a main drag with no complicated situations to access the store and you are saying that a multi million dollar corp like Super 1 cannot afford there OWN parking lot?

    UR was NO flipping place for this. It’s THIER land, THEIR venture, and THEIR profit. It is TOTALLY unjustified.

    Comment by concerned citizen — May 14, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

  26. CC, man are you completely missing the point. You are not looking at this through the Austin BS glasses, BS meaning Blight and Strife – it’s everywhere. Nope take that back maybe Bonners Ferry is competitively disadvantaged with and being less then 25 miles away from Canada. Oh yah that is supposed to be another State. Would be moot anyway because they aren’t going to miss the tax anyway, nobody does, the expert has already told us that a hundred times. And even if public money is being given to the private sector if it is done publically totally absent a public vote in the process everyone needs to bend over and just accept that for crying out loud!

    Comment by Appalled — May 14, 2012 @ 2:52 pm

  27. How many of you have seen the original photographs the city used to justify the establishment of the urban renewal area?

    Comment by Susie Snedaker — May 14, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

  28. Anyone who tries to post an alternate view here is lambasted both professionally and personally.

    Like what happens daily at HBO? Page Tina Jacobson. The truth is neither are ever going to be open and honest with those who disagree with them. Their “vision” is what matters, not the “little peepuls”.

    Comment by Pariah — May 14, 2012 @ 4:38 pm

  29. Susie- do you have those pictures?

    Comment by Pariah — May 14, 2012 @ 4:43 pm

  30. CC, when the Idaho State Department of Transporation heard Super One wanted to locate in Bonners Ferry they arbitrarily established that thousands of feet of Highway 95 needed to be reconstructed. Not just in front of the store but for hundreds of feet in both directions. The turn lane into the store we could understand but dedicating right of way and building 95 to spec just so we could create 100 jobs? Well, in any event, the deal did not pencil out without assistance from the BFURA. So, the deal is this: no urban renewal to help recapture the $400,000 for OFF-SITE improvements (no, not the parking lot or the water and sewer lines or the sidewalks, etc which the McIntires paid for) the project would NOT have been built. Just ask Randy McIntire from Super One.

    Now, 100 people will join the Super One family with jobs that pay more than the average grocery wage and include a generous benefit package (because the McIntires wouldn’t have it any other way.) Meanwhile, Safeway is nearby and looking to expand to meet the competition and two other large businesses will go in near the Super One.

    You can say “Oh, well, so what is the big deal?”. But, to those 100 families and the many more to come, in this economy, it is a very big deal indeed.

    Comment by John Austin — May 14, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  31. I don’t care HOW you spin it John. It IS “CORPORATE WELFARE”. You take from the wage earners and give to the wealthy. Ron is a multi millionare and should pay for his OWN “FOR PROFIT” ventures and the government should stay out of it.

    Comment by concerned citizen — May 14, 2012 @ 9:06 pm

  32. Oh, I’m sorry, you’d be out of a job then huh. I would RATHER pay tax to your unemployment than your wage.

    Comment by concerned citizen — May 14, 2012 @ 9:08 pm

  33. John, your advice to me on May 10, 2012; “If possible, with temps in the ’80s try to have a good weekend and leave the thoughts of LCDC at the curb.” Come May 11, 2012 “In the meantime try to enjoy this beautiful day. It’s God’s way of saying there are better things to do than debate the merits of urban renewal.” Granted you ran out of lame excuses at that point, but with temperatures above average today what are you doing? Was that advice intended for only those who oppose UR and any old day is good enough to advocate UR. Only trying to keep up with your obscure comments.

    Comment by Appalled — May 14, 2012 @ 9:59 pm

  34. CC, I’m mostly retired now and enjoying the life of a landed country gent, but I still receive great satisfaction if little compensation for helping small communities to thrive. That won’t change as I believe in urban renewal and the great benefits to the ten cities with whom I’ve worked.

    Appalled, I’ve stated all I am going to on the point of urban renewal. I’m sorry that you can’t comprehend the great projects that have occurred because of it. You can continue to quote me out of context and make obsurd observations but that fact remains that I have kept my comments civil and you have not. I hope and pray that you can find some happiness somewhere in your life so you can enjoy the greatness of what north Idaho has to offer. I think you’ll be gratified once you find that inner peace that comes to us who realize that our communities are in pretty good shape, regardless of the very few likw you who might disagree.

    Comment by John Austin — May 14, 2012 @ 10:20 pm

  35. John when you’re defenseless your defenseless. Where on earth have I taken one thing out of context? Here you go again spin, spin, spin. You have woefully been unable to stand behind your efforts of misleading plenty of information and that is not the least bit absurd. Did you even visit the link posted by Justinian?

    Even on that site predominately the comments didn’t favor the projects as being successful and here locally they have literally been plagued with controversy. John it is not just I so get over yourself. I’ve only become increasingly engaged because of your distain and rhetoric in addition to the plain avoidance of facts and identifiable very real problems.

    Civility is a two-way road that begins with basic respect. When you make a point that is absurd and is so far out there that when it miserably fails you fall back on simply stating well all was done absolutely correct and legal, because I say it was, couldn’t be lamer. Then comes the anonymity card and everyone loves the outcome and use of the projects so nothing else matters is total disrespect and insulting. You have been so polite, yah right, and not one time that I’ve seen conceded anything, not one thing at all that might be different then the way you first perceived it.

    The game playing is seemingly endless, you are here to combat the RECALL that is happening now, along with many things like the tax shift debate, and no need to follow amendments in the UR laws since amended, including everyone at all times have been completely above board, then when your head starts to come out of the clouds – well don’t talk to me, that was before my time, and I don’t have anything to do with that. That’s not out of context at all John, you willing went down those roads stirred it up and threw your support behind it all, then played the game it’s not me – just unbelievable and completely disrespectful.

    Comment by Appalled — May 14, 2012 @ 11:27 pm

  36. Just in time for my Tuesday Morning Musing, Appalled says kind words about my link – thank you, and John Austin again plays the victim card.

    John, Sergeant Wood gets PAID to answer questions about matters public. She is also a sworn peace officer.

    Tell us again why you would counsel her not to come here and answer questions?

    Just asking. Just

    Comment by justinian — May 15, 2012 @ 6:32 am

  37. John Austin,

    Re Your comment 20: I presume you overlooked the line in Mary’s newsletter that reads, “The Mayor’s daughter, Erica, … and Erica even threatened that the city would close their accounts too.”

    Assume that last clause is accurate.

    This will seem strange and probably even outrageously wrong to the Mullan Avenue Gang and its wannabe straphangers, John, but it is illegal for a person (or the person’s surrogate or agent) acting under color of law (that means invoking governmental authority, John) to deny a citizen’s right to free speech and assembly. That also includes using intimidation to try and discourage the exercise of those rights, John.

    As for Stewart and Wood commenting here, they are free to comment within the guidelines of OpenCdA. Others are free to respond as long as their responses fit the guidelines as well.

    Comment by Bill — May 15, 2012 @ 7:20 am

  38. Bill,

    I am not so sure that the threats are not themselves illegal under the election statutes relating to signature gathering.

    Just my thought. Just.

    Comment by justinian — May 15, 2012 @ 8:48 am

  39. Uhhh… about the right to vote, which is what this is all about. We are a democracy which means the vote is inherent. Apparently not in CDA.


    Comment by rochereau — May 15, 2012 @ 8:54 am

  40. Justinian,

    I wondered the same thing after reading I.C §34-1714(h)

    (h) Offers, proposes or threatens for any pecuniary reward or consideration:
    (i) To offer, propose, threaten or attempt to sell, hinder or delay any recall petition or any part thereof or any signatures thereon;
    (ii) To offer, propose or threaten to desist from beginning, promoting or circulating any recall petition;
    (iii) To offer, propose, attempt or threaten in any manner or form to use any recall petition or any power of promotion or opposition in any manner or form for extortion, blackmail or secret or private intimidation of any person or business interest.

    Comment by Bill — May 15, 2012 @ 9:03 am

  41. Bill,

    Is there a (prosecuting) attorney in the house?

    Just asking. Just

    PS Does Idaho have a “Private Attorney General” Statute and would this qualify?

    Comment by justinian — May 15, 2012 @ 9:23 am

  42. Justinian,

    Well, we have a person who was elected to the the prosecuting attorney. My impression of his professional conduct is that he would be a better public defender.

    As for the PAG Doctrine, I think Idaho allows it, but I don’t know much more than that.

    Comment by Bill — May 15, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  43. I understand some threats are questionable indeed, claimed to be made jokingly aside, that really should be closely evaluated – but by whom? In so far as IC 34-1714 (1) (h) before the word threatened is used a clear distinction exists with OR Offers and Proposes – for any pecuniary reward or consideration. What does this mean in terms of the intent and extent of this law?

    Do the subsections define it further at (i) with again Offers and Proposes prior to threaten adding here or attempt to sell, hinder or delay any recall petition or any part thereof or any signatures thereon;
    Next is subsection (ii) with again Offers and Proposes prior to threaten to desist from beginning, promoting or circulating any recall petition;
    Lastly is subsection (iii) again that begins with Offers and Proposes prior to this time attempt or threaten in any manner or form to use any recall petition or any power of promotion or opposition in any manner or form for extortion, blackmail or secret or private intimidation of any person or business interest.

    With wording like hinder or delay any recall petition or any part thereof or any signatures thereon, desist from beginning, promoting or circulating any recall petition, or opposition in any manner or form for extortion, blackmail or secret or private intimidation of any person or business interest, there may be a whole lot more involved applicable to where several have already gone? Again what does it all mean?

    Comment by Appalled — May 15, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

  44. testing

    Comment by LTR — May 17, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  45. I am very sorry to hear about one guy who pushed Jeff. I can assure you he will be served for this incident and it will result in a Misdeameanor.

    The County is desparate for $$$ and if you even raise your voice toward another person there is a reasonable chance they will Charge you.

    As for Jeff, I am very disappointed in his behavior. He is a Civil Engineer and I would not be surprised that the City occassionally employs him. He is a grad of U of Colorado so Boulder is in his DNA…possibly, which means you can throw common sense out the window.

    You have done a stellar job Mary, et. al. Thank you for standing up for Truth, Justice and the American way! Sorry–a little ole fashioned, eh?

    Comment by Captain America — June 3, 2012 @ 9:02 am

  46. Tony Stewart….Oh, Tony…Do you remember Tony debating me in 1979 the Equal Rights Amendment???? No? Well, you failed.

    And yes, I do think of the many, many issues that are more conservative examples of discrimination and you hear NOTHING from Tony who has used the Human Rights group to cloak himself in piety.

    I frankly, cannot stand the hypocrisy any longer. BTW–I was silently banned from HBO as the result of what remarks? Don’t know and didn’t even receive a notice as to why..Just S W O O S H!!!!!!!!!!! And, you’re gone when you point out respectively, yet pointedly, your opinions…Cracks me up.

    Comment by Captain America — June 3, 2012 @ 9:08 am

  47. The hypocrisy and intolerance of the left is legendary Captain. It defines them almost as much as their bigotry and hatred of traditional values. They are thugs, pure and simple.

    Comment by justinian — June 3, 2012 @ 10:24 am

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