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July 15, 2009

The End DOES Justify the Means?

Filed under: General — mary @ 2:38 pm

David Axelrod

David Axlerod

“Ultimately, this is not about a process,”David Axelrod, Obama’s senior political strategist, said yesterday. “It’s about results.”

Axlerod was speaking about the new, proposed Health Care surtax of 5.4% on wealthy individuals.  You can read about it here.

14 Comments

  1. If anything, this web site has been about PROCESS. The process our officials have used to make decisions affecting our lives and our money. Now we have a top government policy maker, who has the ear of the President, telling us that the process doesn’t matter?

    Comment by mary — July 15, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

  2. The difference between thinking “the end justifies the means” and the “means justify the ends” is summed up in one word: Character. If how you get there doesn’t matter to you, then you have no character.

    Comment by Dan — July 15, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

  3. And, you know that price will go up each year not just for the wealthy, but for everyone. This whole health care thing is going to get really ugly, I think. There is going to be a lot of resentment and outrage when our President tries to implement their “results.”

    I think we are in really big trouble and once the government gets their hooks into mandating health care for us, we are in essense their “cash cow.” In the guise of health care – those funds will be used to “bail out” the abuses of power that got us here in the first place and before too long, health care will be denied based on the fact that you did not get your initial health screening or required blood tests along with DNA samples. The government is not bailing anyone out with these stimulus package claims – it’s a phony facade of hope, while the masters swiftly put into place mandates for financial witholding on all buinesses and individuals. They can’t get this done fast enough. They want the money NOW!

    People would be penalized as much as 2.5 percent of their income for failure to buy health insurance. Most employers would be required to insure their employees or pay a penalty equal to as much as 8 percent of their payroll.

    … so much for the land of the free

    Comment by Stebbijo — July 15, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

  4. I wonder how many Congresscritters and their spouses are above the $1M income line. Want to bet that the “exemptions” buried in those thousand-plus pages will strategically exempt members of Congress and others of political influence with them?

    Comment by Bill — July 15, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

  5. Yep, Bill – I agree. I have heard that most of them don’t even want the government insurance offered, they want their own private plan. Go figure.

    Also, on a sidenote, I received a reply from Michael Henderson, Idaho Deputy Attorney General regarding the formation of the Judicial Protection Committee of Personal Information. Here it is:

    Joanne – You inquired recently about the Supreme Court’s Committee on Protecting Personal Information. This committee is chaired by Justice Jim Jones and is addressing personal information included in documents filed with the courts, such as Social Security numbers, dates of birth, addresses, financial account numbers, names of children, and other identifying or private information. The committee is developing recommendations for limiting the inclusion of such information in documents filed with the court, or for insuring that such information is not publicly available. The committee has had only one meeting and has not reached the point of providing final recommendations.

    I would like to stress that it has never been legal to disclose privacy protected information without consent or court orders. The Idaho Court Rules of Evidence and The Idaho Court Administrative Rules clearly state that. All judges and attorneys should know that and if they don’t,they don’t deserve to work. Obviously, Idaho has a problem.

    This is not legal advice. 🙂

    Comment by Stebbijo — July 15, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

  6. Obama is not my president and he is no friend of America IMO.To him the end does justify the means.Obama is spending America into the ground and into a depression.You can bet that he’ll have to raise everyones income taxes during his first term in office.

    There is no way that america can afford to fight a war and to pay for gov’t socialistic health care.Heck, we can’t even afford to provide health care to the illegal immigrants right now.It’ll bankrupt our country and California is bankrupt.

    Comment by kageman — July 15, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

  7. Socialism is slavery to the government.
    If you look at recent history you will find that Communist leaders never had to live by the same rules applied to the common person. No federal congressman will subject his family to “public health care” any more than they will send their children to Washington D.C. schools.
    I foresee horrible civil unrest in this country if the economy continues to crumble and the people in powerful positions are still sitting pretty telling us to sacrifice for the “greater good” of their social reordering.

    How did we ever get to such a place in the great USA?
    The sheer insanity of it all is too difficult to comprehend.
    In short order we will be a third world country.

    Does anyone see any reason for hope?

    Comment by citizen — July 15, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

  8. The hope I see is in the courage and dedication of the American people. We have known freedom and will not give it up. This current administration will be short-lived, as will the current control of Congress, and then we can get back on the pathway to individual rights and responsibilities; back to the Constitution that is now abused almost daily, it seems. The People will not let that happen.

    Comment by mary — July 15, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

  9. That this mess has gotten this far is downright scary. Now we have Franken sitting in the Senate. An absolute idiot representing what has got to be even bigger idiots. But there he sits where so many spectacular leaders have walked.

    Honestly I am dumbstruck. I feel like this administration has hit America with a shock and awe pounding of socialism. It has come hard and fast and it continues. They do not care that the polls show their actions losing support. They intend to plow as much spending and gov’t controlled policy down our throats as fast as they can. The big worry? How will they work to manipulate the next elections? There has got to be an overwhelming voter response to these elected fools at the polls.

    Comment by Wallypog — July 16, 2009 @ 8:10 am

  10. The old Democrat standby…class warfare. The Robin Hood party if you will. Who in their right mind would want govt. health insurance. We already have Medicare which is almost a joke. If you are of Medicare age, just try to find a doctor that will accept you as a patient. Now, a disclaimer. There are truly honest, hard working people who simply cannot afford insurance. These are not the people I will now refer to. Sadly, there are too many people who just want someone else to pay their way. So they support politicians such as Obama. And the rest of us pay!!

    Al Franken is not funny. He has never been and never will be funny. His stupid behavior at the SCJ confirmation hearing was a perfect example of the idiocy of his election. Apparently the state of MN suffers from mass brain infarc.

    Comment by Faringdon — July 16, 2009 @ 8:54 am

  11. I said last January, that for the sake of the country I hoped Obamas
    economic policies would work.I no longer hope his policies work.His deficit spending by the end of one year would almost quadruple Bushes deficit spending for almost eight years.His proposed budget for the next two years is in the amount of 3.7 trillion.Now, there’s talk of another round of stimulus money.

    It’s sheer madness to be spending all this money we don’t have,hoping the economy turns around fast enough to cover the deficits via income taxes.If the economy doesn’t rebound in the short term, it will tank into a depression IMO.

    Is it fiscally responsible to fly all the way out to Denver, to sign the stimulus/porkulus/Democrats payoff bill? Is it fiscally prudent during a recession to fly and take the first Lady out on the town, when it costs taxpayers $150,000 or to do a picture taking flyover that cost $250,000, over the twin towers?

    I no longer think the Obama administration is going mad, because
    I think their policies are insane.

    Comment by kageman — July 16, 2009 @ 11:15 am

  12. I agree, Kage. The craziness is fast and furious. First the stimulus bill, then the omnibus bill, then more bailouts, followed by cap & trade to kill any beginnings of recovery IN SPITE of the enormous spending, and now health care. It’s a plan. Not a plan for recovery of our economy, a plan to fundamentally change the engine of our country.

    Comment by mary — July 16, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

  13. Comment by Dan — July 16, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

  14. I think we can certainly expect healthcare rationing in any gov’t plan. Of course to a certain degree it exists today. Private insurers do not afford full access to all treatments and medications and that is a form of rationing. It is all economic. Yet, what is coming will certainly become more barbaric. In Canada those with advanced lung disease from tobacco have limited care available. I believe things like long term portable life support as seen with Christopher Reeves will be severely curtailed. Anything deemed to have limited lifestyle benefit that is costly will eventually be on the rationing chopping block. On the upside, if this proceeds, you can find a good investments in Hospice firms.

    As an aside Peggy9804 whose tobacco related lung cancer diagnosis was made this last week has completed her full diagnosis. It is a stage 4 squamous cell carcinoma. It has spread beyond her lungs. There is no surgical option. Peggy9804 will pass in the next few months in a not so pleasant manner.

    Comment by Wallypog — July 17, 2009 @ 4:34 am

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