At last night’s CdA City Council meeting the Mayor broke a voting tie to allow wine and beer to be sold at the new Parkside Tower across the street from McEuen Field. Do you think they’ll allow the wine to be served on the 3rd floor public plaza that LCDC funded? This building got $820,000 in LCDC help, with $100,000 marked for the public plaza. The tricky part is that the “public” plaza is on the 3rd floor, so you have to go up the elevator or stairs to find it!
November 19, 2008
A Little Wine with Your View?
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A little wine won’t help this loser:
Comment by Dan — November 19, 2008 @ 2:17 pm
Wasn’t there a donut purveyor trying to get a variance for beer and wine that was denied by the council?
Comment by Wallypog — November 19, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
That’s a great clip Dan…..
Comment by Wallypog — November 19, 2008 @ 4:18 pm
Wallypog,
In 2., you’re talking about Frank Pigott, the applicant. His business is Pastry by the Lake at Parkside. I think the plan is to serve “fine wine, fine cheeses, and pastries.” That’s an upscale way of saying overpriced wine, cheese, and crackers.
Comment by Bill — November 19, 2008 @ 4:53 pm
I recently heard that part of this decision might have to do with Riverstone wanting a bar or pub. Also, did you know that the city of cda gets “rent” for each chair placed out on the sidewalks for the restaurants and cafes?
Comment by mary — November 19, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
Bill,
I have to take issue with your characterization of Frank Pigott’s business. I have done business with Frank at Bakery By The Lake and have found his product to be of very good quality and his prices very fair from both a retail and wholesale point of view. Frank is trying to survive just like many other small businesses and is doing all he can. Cut him a little slack.
Comment by patrickh — November 19, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
Someone told me that Frank was approached by his customers who asked for the wine/beer service, not the other way around. I’ve not been to his place but it can’t be easy for any cafe or restaurant to weather these downturns.
Comment by mary — November 19, 2008 @ 6:16 pm
PatrickH,
I’m glad you were comfortable expressing your point of view just as I was in expressing mine.
Comment by Bill — November 19, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
Which of the council voted for the beer and wine service at Parkside?
Comment by Suzanne R. — November 20, 2008 @ 9:23 am
I believe the Yeas were Woody, Kennedy and Goodlander, with Edinger, Hassel and Bruning as Nays. The mayor broke the tie to pass the measure.
Comment by mary — November 20, 2008 @ 11:34 am
All three are up for re-election in 2009; as is mayor Bloem. Did anyone understand Tony Berns comments made during the LCDC meeting held last evening regarding the Northwest Place Project-Improvement Reimbursement Agreement(IRA)? I thought he stated that the property would be on the “tax rolls quick.” When questioned about this during the public comment period later in the meeting, he responded by saying that LCDC would begin to receive the TIF-Tax Increment Financing immediately. How does LCDC getting TIF immediately help with properties returning to the tax rolls sooner? Doesn’t he know the differnce? Last evening Teresa Molitor was one of the few in attendance. Teresa is a lobbyist that lists Lake City Development Corporation in her client list. I guess the State Legislative Games are about to begin.
Comment by doubleseetripleeye — November 20, 2008 @ 12:04 pm
Supposedly, according to their PR Flack, the LCDC is having luncheon with the local state representatives. I don’t think it’s an “open meeting” but wasn’t it supposed to be around this time? Would that be why Molitar was here? And why isn’t the public invited to a meeting between the LCDC and legislators?
Comment by Dan — November 20, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
I thought it was yesterday. The comment was made that not many legislators attended due to conflicts.
Comment by Susie Snedaker — November 20, 2008 @ 3:14 pm
Dan, the answer to your question about Open Meetings in Item 12 is that anytime a quorum of a governing body meets that meeting is subject to the law. It is not a question of being invited, it is a question of entitlement of the public to witness the meeting. Open the doors, I’m coming in!
Comment by Gary Ingram — November 20, 2008 @ 5:39 pm
Gary; The same should be said about OUR community center! Open the doors,I’m coming in.
Comment by casper — November 21, 2008 @ 7:35 am
Casper, I’m slow this morning. Please explain. Need more specificity.
Comment by Gary Ingram — November 21, 2008 @ 11:42 am
Sorry Gary, The point I was attempting to make is, public participation has with time been suppressed in favor of those in position of power,and the laws have been bent and sometimes broken to suit the desires of few at the experience of many. I was making reference to the krock mission chapel which as you know was partly funded with PUBLIC FUNDS and there will be some who don’t qualify for the public assistance as they fall into the category of earnings (ie you make too much to qualify but not so much to be able to pay the DUES for MEMBERSHIP) that used to fit the average middle class, who carried their weight in society. But without public vote the mayor and council used OUR money to fund a project they refer to as OUR COMMUNITY CENTER? So my reference is to the idea if the public cares to they should have full access to OUR COMMUNITY CENTER,at which you will be met at the door by some sort of security so they can check if you are entitled to enter. Hope that helps
Comment by casper — November 29, 2008 @ 7:52 am
I understood your reference completely, Casper, but your explanation details the problem of putting PUBLIC MONEY into a private church business: The public will expect access! What do we, the taxpayers, get for our $3.5 million dollars? We get the opportunity to pay almost the same membership fees as if we join Ironwood Athletic Club.
Comment by mary — November 29, 2008 @ 10:24 am
I used to be a member of Ironwood Athletic Club.My last year there in 1995, I was paying $50/a month.I’d hate to know how much a membership costs today.
So,if the Community Center costs close to what Ironwood would cost today, it will be expensive to join.
It’s funny but, I thought Joan Kroc’s goal about these Comm.Centers
was to put poor disadvantaged kids in them, so they would have opportunitys other kids had like:
access to sports facilitys.What happened to Joans goal?This CC membership won’t really be affordable
for working families.
Comment by kageman — November 29, 2008 @ 10:41 am
The Kroc Center will have grants for disadvantaged kids. But those are only limited. The bottom line is that the Kroc Center will need to fund half its yearly operating expenses, some $1,500,000 through general memberships — the paying public. Based on fees at the other Kroc Centers, that means over 2,100 families will have to join the KC and pay annual dues for the thing to stay afloat (or there will be other combinations of memberships, fees and so on). When I’ve asked KC officials about this, they seem not to be concerned. So if they have faith in getting those numbers, good.
Comment by Dan — November 29, 2008 @ 11:12 am
Kageman, We have a family membership at Ironwood which costs about $100/mo. for all six of us. (their prices have changed very little over the years) I’m trying to find the official Kroc Center fees, but can’t get them on the internet today–not sure why. My recollection is that they are to be about $60/mo for a family of four. But only four people. If you have a fifth or more, you must pay the additional individual memberships, which will bring it close to what Ironwood is charging.
I’ve also heard that classes will be extra, in addition to your membership. At Ironwood almost all classes are included in the membership fee.
Another comment I’ve heard (and note that this is not confirmed), is that if the beautiful chapel and reception area are used for a wedding, the guests will have to pay the daily rate to enter the Kroc Center unless they are members. Rumor or truth?
Comment by mary — November 29, 2008 @ 11:14 am
I can confirm your figures, Mary, according to the San Diego Kroc Center. The fee for using the chapel for a wedding would include admissions for all the guests.
Comment by Dan — November 29, 2008 @ 12:01 pm
Thanks, Dan!
Comment by mary — November 29, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
mary we have had a family membership at ironwood for some years now but i have not been aware that ‘most’ classes are included or that children over the age of 18 could still be part of a family membership. really?
Comment by reagan — December 1, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
You should check the class schedule. There are lots of classes included in your Ironwood membership: Pilates, Yoga, Water Aerobics, and more. To my knowledge only specialized or individual instruction costs extra. I hear that the rock climbing wall at the Kroc Center will be extra, as well as any classes. Did you know there will be a full on Recording Studio? I bet that will cost extra too.
Comment by mary — December 1, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
thanks mary, i’ll check the class schedule. i had no idea.
Comment by reagan — December 2, 2008 @ 7:37 am